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Friends, in light of the violence and death wrought in Charlottesville, Va., the failure of the president to denounce the KKK, Nazis, and white supremacist groups is more than outrageous.

His suggestion that there are “fine people, very fine people” within these groups betrays a basic understanding of what these groups stand for and his continued efforts to try to maintain his base of support among these groups. The fact that millions of Jews were slaughtered by the Nazis and that thousands of Americans died fighting to liberate Europe, North Africa, and Russia from the horror of the Nazis seems not to register with the current occupant of the White House.

As the fascist organizations bask in the media attention and the equivocations of the president, they are planning to demonstrate in other cities to provoke violence and to seek attention for their warped, immoral, racist, and violent ideology. It is important NOT to allow police powers or other governmental authorities to suggest that their conduct is protected as free speech under the First Amendment. Their conduct explicitly advocates violence against Jews and people of color including immigrants. Permits should be denied and organizers of these hate groups should be brought to justice as terrorists—that is what they are.

Too many have died to rid the planet of the scourge of those who worship Hitler and now Trump. Let us draw courage and purpose from the courage and sacrifice of HEATHER HEYER who was killed by a terrorist (and the 20 others injured and the two police officers who died) and as part of a conspiracy of groups of terrorists who are pushing their sick and morally bankrupt ideology, looking for media coverage, audiences, and new recruits. Not in San Francisco, not anywhere… Time to build the resistance, time to join arms with all communities to denounce the hate and to promote the protection of ALL people’s inalienable right to life, safety, and equality…. The current occupant of the White House has betrayed his oath of office and should be impeached.

P.S. Last night in San Luis Obispo, 1000 demonstrated in solidarity with the victims of Charlottesville and in opposition to the Unify the Right Movement.

Bill Monning, D-Carmel, represents the Central Coast in the California Senate.

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  • Eric Sand August 17, 2017, 11:38 am

    I cherish our republic almost beyond life itself and the ideals that we propose to further the well being of not just those in our republic but in other lands as well. As I was growing up I had the fortune to live in other countries and recognized first hand what other country’s citizens could only hope for and knew I would be going back to this incredible republic and its ideals.
    Retired Justice Souter warned us of the possibility of this day back in 2012 and can be read here….http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/souter-warned-trump-candidate-prescient-remarks
    We are not only facing a Constitutional crisis, but an existential one….and every man and woman in the United States of America will be called upon to bear witness….

  • Kristina Baer August 17, 2017, 11:43 am

    Could this be, at last, the nadir of the Trump presidency? Does Mr. Trump understand the meaning of the oath he swore on the day he took office?

    Based on what we’ve seen to date, these 35 words appear to be as meaningless to him as the words he reads from his teleprompter, words and phrases carefully crafted by his aides. By now, they should have learned, as we and the rest of the world have, that Mr. Trump doesn’t mean a word he says, nor does he care, apparently, that he has violated his oath of office on numerous occasions since he was sworn in on 1/21/17.

    As his unscripted words, Tweets, and behavior show, he has little regard for (or understanding of?) the basic principles of human decency, honor, and respect for all Americans. These principles are enshrined in our Constitution, which he swore to preserve, protect, and defend, “to the best of (his) ability.”

    “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.”

    We have yet to see Mr. Trump demonstrate “the best of his ability” to “preserve, protect, and defend” anything but himself.

  • Helen Rucker August 17, 2017, 11:48 am

    Right on. Bill. As an 84 (soon to be 85) year old African American citizen, I applaud you for speaking up and out for what is right and just. Thank you for representing me and all my people. Too bad I can’t say the same about our president!

  • Alice August 17, 2017, 1:06 pm

    Well, actually, these nasty events are protected speech. Remember Skokie. A link to a Newsweek reminder article regarding the US Supreme Court’s decision: http://www.newsweek.com/violence-trump-rallies-nazi-precedent-skokie-436745
    For a better, smarter, more likely-to-stop-this method, today’s Chronicle featured a brilliant letter to the editor in which the writer, David Posner, suggests fighting with laughter, as Mel Brooks would do. As he said, “…when these pathetic morons show up in their ridiculous Nazi regalia, we could show up in our own ridiculous regalia prepared to sing “Springtime for Hitler (and Germany).” We respond better to laughter and the wit it takes to create it than some of the suggestions make by Mr. Monning and others.

    • david fairhurst August 17, 2017, 9:10 pm

      Indeed, laughter is the greatest response of all. It protects us and strengthen us. Evil flees from the sound of it. I have said in the past, “if you remain smiling they haven’t really gotten to you”. I would suggest the wearing of Hawaiian shirts, leis and the consumption of large Trader Vic’s style drinks at response rallies and the placing origami toilet paper sculpture in the Nazi marchers path.
      I would suggest to Bill Monning that he buy a blue beret and that underground meetings of “the resistance” shall take place under the bridge at midnight. I shall be wearing a red beret. Seriously Bill “the Resistance”? To what? Democracy, Free elections, a civil society, the Constitution? I gather Bill is a supporter nd encourages the actions of the new “Brown Shirts” a.k.a. “Antifas”.

  • Jean August 17, 2017, 1:35 pm

    Thank you, Alice.
    All the talk about “resistance” just creates more heat.
    Take right action on your own.

  • Joyce Raye August 17, 2017, 1:43 pm

    Dear Senator Monning, We agree with your thoughts and analysis of these situations,
    and strongly agree that we do not want a president who espouses racist, and Nazi ideas.
    He may have learned these ideas from his father, who was arrested at a KKK rally in New York.
    We concur that because he espouses these racist ideas that destabilize our democratic nation, along with his temperamental volatility and instability, he should be removed from office.
    Thank you for all your help to the citizens of our state. – Mr.&Mrs. David Raye

    • david fairhurst August 25, 2017, 11:58 am

      Please look up the slander of your statement regarding Donald Trump’s father being arrested in a KKK rally In New York (the supposed date being in 1927). Snope’s (a left-leaning site) debunks your claim.

  • bill leone August 17, 2017, 2:12 pm

    Those who wish to dress up in Nazi Regalia & laugh at American Nazis are welcome to do so.
    However, I stand with my fellow Democrat, Senator Monning to Denounce, Deride & Resist everything about American Nazis, as well as those who enable, appease or sympathize with them in Any way, including The Pimp President & his Crime-Family.

  • Helga Fellay August 17, 2017, 3:11 pm

    “The current occupant of the White House has betrayed his oath of office and should be impeached.”
    BM
    That’s what the “Resistance” said when Trump won, and they invented a lie about the Russians interfering with our election, and tried to impeach him for six months based on that lie. This filled the MSM 24/7 for about six months. Of course it could not be proven because it wasn’t true. That was Russia Gate
    The moment Russia Gate stopped we had Korea Gate which kept the MSM busy 24/7, and no matter what Trump said about it, whether it was diplomacy or aggressive and bombastic statements, whatever he said was widely decried as being crazy, insane, immature, ignorant, dumb, a sign of ineptitude, even insanity which disqualifies him from holding office and is reason for impeachment. Fear of an imminent nuclear attack had some people shopping for bunkers. But not all Americans bought into it. Inasmuch as more and more people began to realize that North Korea, which in all these decades had never threatened or invaded anybody, was under Chinese and Russian restrained control, besides not having the tools to wage nuclear attack to begin with, so, sadly, Korea Gate went the same way as Russia Gate. The very moment Korea Gate died a natural death, lo and behold, we have found another reason to impeach Trump because now we have created Charlottesville Gate. (Btw, those self-described Nazis at Charlottesville never murdered millions of Jews, those were different people, almost a century ago, and if they were still alive today, I think they might be offended. But that’s just an aside, irrelevant, actually.) Trump denounced all violence that occurred on both sides in clear terms. Yet the MSM and those who control the MSM immediately accused him of “siding with the Nazis” and are calling for his impeachment. I am afraid three is not always the charm, not this time either. We have his words on video, and there was nothing wrong with those words. He can not be impeached based on what he said. Now I fear Gate #4, which will probably come on the heels of failed Gate #3. I wonder how many lives may be lost and how much damage will be done the next time. All I know is that at this point, I am more afraid of the Nazis from the Left than I am of the Nazis from the Right. Both of them seem to be equally ruthless, but the main difference is that the ones on the Right are just a tiny minority without any real power, whereas the ones on the Left are a vast majority holding almost all the power.

    And no, I did not vote for Donald Trump (I voted for Sanders in the primary and for Jill Stein in the general election). I have never liked him. But I will stay immune from the deadly epidemic of sheer madness and utter craziness, and outright hate and destructiveness that has swept through this nation that seems to have lost all ability to think critically and analytically.

    • Scott Corner August 17, 2017, 9:05 pm

      Wow …. well said.

  • Dan Turner August 17, 2017, 4:50 pm

    Fascists! Here they come!! Bash their heads in!!!

  • James Toy August 17, 2017, 6:10 pm

    Monning is correct to point out how despicable these neo-Nazis and white supremacists really are. But I wish he had provided some legal basis for his claim that their words are not protected free speech. There are some reasonable limits to free speech, but the 1st Amendment places the bar pretty high. If Monning is correct, Dan Turner would have been booked into county jail for what he sarcastically wrote in his comment above.

    • Alice August 18, 2017, 2:29 pm

      James – the link I sent earlier is an account of the US Supreme Court upholding the rights to free speech; the case was an American Nazi Party activity in Skokie, Illinois in the 1970’s. It’s a done decision. I repeat it here: http://www.newsweek.com/violence-trump-rallies-nazi-precedent-skokie-436745
      The desire to unilaterally demonize and put a label on anyone who appears to have a differing opinion is not far from what the Soviets, Nazis, the Inquisition, and every other totalitarian regime has done throughout history. The self-righteousness and arrogance is mind-boggling. Denounce hatred and violence and let those words speak for themselves – if one starts to name the alleged guilty parties, there is a virtual guarantee that some entity will be omitted while others are flat out mistakes.

    • Bill Monning August 18, 2017, 11:57 pm

      Friends, as I believe my original statement made clear, I conclude that the actions of the racists groups in Charlottesville cross the line of protected free speech. I have devoted much of my professional career to the protection of the First Amendment..from the right of farmworkers to strike and peacefully picket to the rights of prisoners to be able to communicate to the outside world. One reader raised the ACLU’s protection of Nazis to march in Skokie, Illinois (actions that the Nazis later stated were designed to pull Jewish supporters away from the ACLU). I am a lifelong member of the ACLU and absolutely honor and defend the protection of speech with which I may disagree. There are limits, however, and the U.S. Supreme Court has held that speech that is designed and intended to incite violence in the moment is not protected. It is illegal for example to yell “Fire” in a crowded stadium or theater when no fire exists b/c that “speech” can likely result in grave injury or death. If you review the live videotape and interviews of leaders of the Unite the Right movement, they state unequivocally that their intention is to provoke and create violence. This is clear evidence of an intent to incite violence, which is not protected speech. I will defend the right of anyone to articulate unpopular opinion in the form of public speech, but when the speech is intentionally designed to provoke, incite, or create violence, it loses its protection under the First Amendment.

      • david fairhurst August 19, 2017, 12:22 pm

        And Sir, what of the “alt-left”? What violence was Anne Coulter or “Milio” going to incite that prohibited them from speaking at Berzerky? That distasteful and disgusting group of fools at Charlottesville had a permit for their protest. It was the extreme “left” and the “progressives” that came and incited violence, and somehow all this is now Donald Trumps fault? What Himmler/Goebbels style lies the “left” and their media of “progressive” propaganda spew forth.
        I further venture to ask what gives you the moral authority to say what is and what isn’t “free speech”? Where is your outrage at Kathy Gifford and her beheaded President Trump, or of the calls from “News Media” and Politicians such as your self calling for our Presidents death? Where is your outrage at the Bernie Sanders supporter that did commit violence after so much CNN and other “false news” lies? The ACLU is currently as an unequivocal anti-Trump hate group is attempting, as you are, to undermine a legitimately elected President demeaning and destroying our civil society, a free election, our Democratic system and our Republic thru a modern Maoist and totalitarian style coup. Yes Nazis and the KKK are abhorrent (say wasn’t the Democrat from West Virginia “Robert Byrd” a KKK Grand Wizard whom Hillary Rodham Clinton called her “mentor”, guide and inspiration?) but as long as they can speak openly they are proof that we believe in the ideals and words of our Constitution. Repression and prohibition will not solve the issue only hide it. It will take open debate, persuasion and understanding to end those groups. I believe that the recent growth of these groups during the Obama administration was because of the extreme Left and the “don’t care” attitude toward racial relations. The “Left” keeps calling people racists, homophobic, bigoted, sexist, “deniers” (or stupid) and a plethora of other insults, maybe after a while one learns that they are not listened to or think that they have any say in their government. Like a small child that is ignore or abused, they act up for attention.
        But again Sir I ask, where is your outrage at the actual violence of “antifas”, “occupy wall street”and the riots, destruction, hate and racism of “black lives matter”? Or is it only the causes and groups you believe in that have those Inalienable Rights to protest and only those that share your views allowed to weld violence and repression without fear of law?

      • gil stein August 29, 2017, 1:26 pm

        Bill
        Where is your outrage when students at SFSU shouted down the Mayor of Jerusalem so he could not speak? Where was your outrage when a similar occurrence took place at UC Irvine Where is your outrage when Jewish students at UCSC were assaulted at an Israel Independence event? Free speech also includes the right to be heard and when people disrupt a speech they are violating the speaker’s rights and the rights of the audience as well. How about legislation to punish the disrupters of speech?

  • Dan Turner August 17, 2017, 6:48 pm

    It wasn’t sarcastic. It was a statement of fact. You can’t debate w/nazis but you can kill them.

  • Helga Fellay August 17, 2017, 7:44 pm

    Now that it has been established that both Trump and American Nazis are utterly despicable, I thought that instead of 50 more people weighing in and repeating this very same thing, we might look at different perspectives. Here are excerpts from an article by Niall Bradley at
    https://www.sott.net/article/359412-Charlottesville-Unite-the-Right-Rally-Diverts-Attention-From-Deep-State-Agenda?
    “Ideology and ideologues of both left and right varieties do not interest most people. It took Clinton labeling masses of Americans ‘supporters of the Alt-Right’, when she used that term in a campaign speech last August for most to learn about the existence of a thing called the ‘Alt-Right’. Next to no one identified with it until that identity was picked out for them by the system. We know the FBI and other agencies have had COINTELPRO running through every political or semi-political organization in the US since forever. A possible recent addition: Jason Kessler, the organizer of the ‘Unite the Right’ rally, the guy you saw literally run out of town during his press conference Sunday, was, until November 2016, an Obama supporter and previously an activist within the far-left Occupy Wall Street movement.

    “Notice how emboldened the Left is since Charlottesville; city authorities everywhere are talking about accelerating their programs to destroy or remove Confederate symbols, minority special interest groups are calling for literally every single town and city in the US “to remove or change the name of anything named after Confederate sympathizers,” and jumped-up SJWs aren’t waiting around for their orders.

    “Do such extreme actions remind you of anything? The Taliban detonating 1,500-year old statues of Buddha in Afghanistan? ISIS destroying ‘idolatrous’ artifacts in Syria, perhaps? Poland rewriting its history to airbrush its Soviet days? Or Mao’s ‘cultural revolution’ in China? How far is this going to go? Is this America’s Year Zero?

    “When Clinton and other top Swamp Monsters announced, immediately after he was elected, that they would launch a national campaign of resistance against Trump, they sure weren’t kidding around. After months of violence carried out by the far-left at Conservative events – egged on every step of the way by the media – the president was mercilessly harangued after the Charlottesville brawl for his failure to toe the party line of condemning only the far-right.”

    • Dan Turner August 17, 2017, 7:57 pm

      Poland is not “rewriting its history to airbrush its Soviet days”, it is rewriting its history to airbrush its years of Nazi occupation (1939-1944) when many Poles eagerly cooperated w/the nazis in rounding up and exterminating the Jews. This lying about and whitewashing of Polish cooperation w/the Nazi’s Final Solution of the Jewish Problem is a serious affront not only to Jews but to anyone who feels that Nazi/fascist racial superiority ideas and the lethal racial hatred that accompanies them is something to be denounced loudly and often and should not be tolerated under the banner of free speech.

      • Helga Fellay August 17, 2017, 9:03 pm

        Dan, what you are saying about Poland makes far more sense than what Niall Bradley wrote. I didn’t really understand what he was saying, I just copied it, thinking that just because I don’t understand it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s false. Truth is I don’t know much about Poland. Thanks for catching this and correcting it.

    • david fairhurst August 17, 2017, 8:49 pm

      Beautifully and articulately written Helga. The 1st amendment is the true “Tolerance” rule of a free and democratic society. There is no restriction on “hate speech” only on speech that can be proven to induce illegal or violent action. “I wish all the Fascists were dead” is legal, “Fascists, here they come, bash their heads in” is in fact criminal speech as it is inciting violent action against lives.
      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the people to peacefully assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
      The American “Progressive” movement has tried to remove this and the other Rights accorded to the individual as “outdated” since their “early” days starting about 1910 and replace them with “collective rights” and a leviathan all controlling central Government. Remember the Nazi slogan “Work is Freedom” and all work/production/property was for the benefit/control of the State, (like Health Care). How far are we from that? (oops, maybe we are there).

      • Dan Turner August 17, 2017, 9:35 pm

        Actually, they are lyrics from a song. A reggae song, I think. So, perhaps I’m covered by poetic license.

  • david fairhurst August 17, 2017, 8:22 pm

    Did anyone really read or listen to Trump’s statements? When he talked about “good people” on both sides he wasn’t referring to KKK or American Nazis but those Historical preservationists who are concerned about the destruction and altering of our history. The “left” just doesn’t get it.
    It would appear that the left is so intent on destruction and the removal of Trump from office that facts don’t matter. (Still think the Russians won the election for Trump or was it “Content Farmers of Macedonia”? Maybe it was that Hillary was such a bad choice that she lost.) Maxine Walters (a well know crooked Congresswoman from L.A. (her husband got quite a bit of “Obama Stimulus” money said in a recent interview that the Democrats would have Trump out of office by Christmas, didn’t matter whatever reason just that they got him out of office. When informed that mike Pence would then become president she replied “well..we will just go after him next”. Hardly democratic.
    Yes I too think we have a Constitutional crisis, but it is from the “Progressives” and the repression of free speech, anger, hate and the destruction thrown at the individuals whom would even dare to offer or think an opinion different other than this current “lemming mob think”. The insults and hostility are the “left” seems to have now. Where are their concepts for a better society? Only to defame or falsely demean someone who may agree with some of the things President Trump is trying to accomplish.
    It is “leftist” extremists that are destroying our statues. The Antifas behave as Fascists pretending they represent something other than violence and anarchy. Books are already being banned or altered so much that they no longer have their original meanings or impact (Mark Twain Huck Finn has been so “whitewashed” by removing the dreaded “N” word (now reserved only for the use by people of color, any only one color at that) that the whole meaning of Huck’s transformation is lost.
    We are so stupidly concerned about “sensitivity” (but only for certain identity groups) that we are now a society of: since one child is peanut butter “sensitive’ no one else can have peanut butter.
    Yes a brave new World and a society of brainless dead fish going with the flow of the sewer waters.

  • Scott Hanson August 17, 2017, 9:42 pm

    Helga — why do you refer to the Russia investigation in the past tense: “Of course it could not be proven because it wasn’t true. That was Russia Gate”?
    Last I checked Mueller is still hard at work.

    • Helga Fellay August 18, 2017, 8:04 am

      Scott, a good question, actually. But the answer should be obvious. If Mueller is still hard at work, and if he were producing ANY progress at all, the MSM would be hovering and looking over his shoulder, and report on his “progress” 24/7. There would have been no need to come up with this ridiculous Korea Gate, and after that went south, put on a super production of Charlottesville Gate, complete with recruiting ads on Craig’s List, the usual agitators and provocateurs, along with orders for police to stand down. This statue should have, and could have, been quietly moved decades ago to where it belongs – the cemetery where the man is buried, or else to one of the many, many Civil War museums, or the house he was born in, or lived in, which is probably also a museum, and that would have been the proper place for it. These statues don’t belong in city squares, or in front of municipal buildings, as they are painful reminders for very many people of a horrible past which unfortunately isn’t quite in the past just yet. There was no need to put on this circus and issue this permit, in the almost certain knowledge what the results would be. No need at all.

  • Just me August 17, 2017, 9:52 pm

    Brandenburg v. Ohio

  • Ed Mitchell August 18, 2017, 12:37 pm

    I knew when I was serving in the Army in the U.S. and overseas that I was protecting our independence and the rights listed in the Bill of Rights. Additionally, with many of the folks that comment on this site I’ve peacefully protested. Additionally, I recall the history of political parties in Spain, Italy, Germany, Soviet Union, Cambodia, and more recently Venezuela. Where political parties executed violence against their citizens who didn’t agree with their policies.

    So I want a president that is against violence no matter what individual, group, or political party generates it or condones it. Whether it is the KKK or from a political party. All who attack versus protest need to be held accountable.

    • Dan Turner August 18, 2017, 1:00 pm

      Sorry, Ed, but when you were overseas you weren’t actually “protecting our independence and the rights listed in the Bill of Rights” at all. That’s just the BS propaganda you were told but all you were, really, was an imperial storm trooper. Nothing to be proud of, I’m afraid.

  • john moore August 18, 2017, 1:44 pm

    It was despicable that the President did not immediately condemn the Neo-Nazis for the Charlottesville attack. When he modified his statement to condemn the Nazis, he equated the group resisting the Nazi’s with the Nazi’s, which is nonsense. He is incapable of ever admitting that he made a mistake. Nixon like and then some.

    • david fairhurst August 19, 2017, 12:32 pm

      He did, read the transcripts. For decades Trump has condemned neo-nazis and the KKK, when will the Democrats do so? Just more “Witch Hunt” to find some bull reason to remove Trump from office because the “Left” is so petty they can’t accept that they lost. How is that “RussiaGate” going? Even Mueller’ “investigation” packed with Clintonites can’t show “collusion”, only by people like Hillary and Podesta. Oh wait it is the Obama administration that blew Russian hacking, and how about that Debbie Waserman Schutz? Or Maxine Waters who admitted that they (Demoncraps) once they can destroy Trump and remove him from office they will then go after Mike Pence, again without cause.

  • Helga Fellay August 18, 2017, 5:34 pm

    There is so much group think. Instead of debating issues, the competition seems to be who can express their common hatred in the strongest terms. How about a few other points of view. These are comments following an article I found online:
    Patrick August 17, 2017 at 12:19 pm
    I do not think it was the people of Charlottesville that led the counter protest. It was heavily armed alt left professionals. These type of protests should have 5 police for every protester. They should be allowed only at some time like 9 am to 11 AM. Any protester alt left , alt right that breaks the law should be arrested immediately. The alt left were holding an illegal rally, their leaders should have been arrested on the spot. Police and lot’s of them are the only way to prevent anarchy in these types of situations. You see this is true whenever there is a police strike, or power blackout.
    Chet Roman August 17, 2017 at 1:14 pm
    Spot on! The media focuses on the “white nationalists” as the cause of the violence. It doesn’t mention that they were the ones with the permit to march and that the police essentially encouraged the confrontation and eventual violence between the opposing groups by “standing down”. The police purposely let the violence happen.
    Why all this Confederate statue nonsense now? It seems to me that its a distraction created by the left because the corporate Democrats can’t turn against their donors by offering actual populist policies so they choose distractions like statues. Instead of promoting living wages, single payer healthcare and other populist policies the left wants to provoke the “deplorables” and use that to win elections. The Democrats “Better Deal” was DOA but now they have a hot new campaign issue without actually addressing any substantial economic issues.
    Dave P. August 17, 2017 at 10:59 pm
    Chet, you are right on that. The Dems and the Establishment want to create problems and get rid of Trump one way or the other. He has been completely broken by the Deep State and doing all kind of irrational things. But they are still not happy. They think, he is an embarrassment to The Empire. Except for a few days when he launched those cruise missiles on Syria, they did not let him govern for even one day in peace. We remember how they, The Establishment, showered him with praise when he launched those cruise missiles on innocent people in Syria. Now see how they are denouncing him for saying those few things about Charlottesville, some of it is true.I do not like a lot about Trump or his philosophy, if he has any. But still we have to be fair to him.
    Source: The Rise of the Violent Left
    Antifa’s activists say they’re battling burgeoning authoritarianism on the American right. Are they fueling it instead?
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-rise-of-the-violent-left/534192/

  • Karl Pallastrini August 18, 2017, 8:12 pm

    Quit trying to white-wash the past. The history of our country is what it is. Santayana (and many others) states that “those who fail to remember history are condemned to repeat it.” The statues are not the issue. The Confederacy is not the issue. They are simply reflections of the development of our history as a nation. The real issue centers around the 1st Amendment right to free speech. Regardless of the venom and illogical thinking of ( in this case) white supremacists, the right to express their views are protected by the Constitution. Brilliant thinking by our fore-fathers. Allowing the right to free speech, regardless of whether it is popular, controversial, or makes no sense is inherent in a true democracy. In Charlottesville, the process was followed. A permit was issued to conduct the rally. The right to public expression of their beliefs was truncated by those who did not agree with their position, or respect the process that they followed to hold the rally. Resistance was based on ideology, not the law. A permit to assemble does not have to be issued… if the local law enforcement officials deem that they are not capable of providing adequate protection… for both the applicant and the potential resulting backlash. Could be an interesting legal issue here. To summarize, it is better to allow and protect public speaking for any individual or group, regardless of whether it is based on hatred, self indulgence or ignorance. The 1st amendment of the Constitution guarantees that right for a reason. It exposes issues to the light of day. Better than plotting and scheming behind closed doors. Virginia serves as a painful example of what can happen when guaranteed rights to free speech are challenged. Though painful…much better in my estimation where absolute power controls public thinking in terms of intimidation, information, and fear of retribution. ISIS, Taliban and Kim Jung Un come to mind.

  • bill leone August 19, 2017, 8:09 am

    I find it disturbing that a majority of the above commenters have used more words per space to appease, excuse, enable, & sympathize with Nazis, White Supremacy, & The Lost Cause (including The Pimp President), in addition to criticizing people who protested their twisted ideology, rather than denouncing the Purpose of White Supremacy. In my view, this is the precise definition of “White Fragility.”

    I only wish more people of color would read & contribute comments to The Partisan.

  • Helga Fellay August 19, 2017, 8:16 am

    The Mainstream Media has lied to all of us. They fooled even me. I believed that the police had been ordered to stand down. That was not the case at all, quite the opposite. It was actually the police that forced the Right wing protesters into the ranks of the Left Antifa, blocking them off to prevent them from leaving, to force this violent confrontation. Please watch this relatively short video and see for yourself. Then decide who is the real danger here. The whole thing was an intentional setup. It was set up to create another “impeach Trump” event, after the Korea hysteria died off.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSOoh_bbvwU&feature=share

  • bill leone August 19, 2017, 1:26 pm

    Yes, the Charlottesville, Va. PD did Not do an adequate job of keeping people safe at the White Supremacist rally in that city. However, I urge everyone who reads The Partisan to watch the video posted in the comment above. You will learn some very interesting facts:
    1. The video was made by the #UniteTheRight protestors; I suggest you check out their Anti-Semtic, Pro-Trump, White Supremacist web site.
    2. The video posted above is now censored from Google, & so is nearly everything else produced & directed by Dave Reilly Media. Furthermore, nearly All of Dave Reilly’s pro-White Supremacist audio & video productions are now censored by Google.
    3. If you listen to the video carefully, about one fourth of the way through, the narrator (perhaps Dave Reilly), who does not identify himself, says, “WE did everything WE could to prevent violence
    & keep the rally peaceful.” Meaning, WE, the protesting White Supremacists….. The video does not show or say Anything about the protesting Nazis carrying assault rifles & wearing flak-jackets to their “peaceful rally.”
    4. Here is another version of the video, from the MSM, regarding Dave Reilly, his video, & the reason why he was forced to resign his job at his family-owned radio station:

    http://wnep.com/2017/08/15/bloomsburg-radio-personality-involved-in-alt-right-march-in-charlottesville/

    5. And finally, you will notice, in the middle of the video, the name “Ruptly” appears in the left-hand
    corner of the screen; this is the organization that distributes videos like this All Over The World.
    If you check out Ruptly on Wikipedia, you will discover Ruptly is closely associated with RT (Russian owned & operated) News, has headquarters in Berlin, Germany, & has news collection agencies in many international hot-spots, like Syria, for the purpose of feeding “objective news” to Right-
    Wing news agencies (like Breitbart), & other “Progressive” news sites that have been compromised by Russian Cyber-Intelligence, under the guidance of the Russian FSB (formerly, the Soviet KGB).

    I believe those who fall prey to this blatant propaganda, & parrot it, are aiding & abetting the Russian government’s efforts to sow discord & undermine democracy in Europe, the United States & elsewhere in the world.

  • Karl Pallastrini August 19, 2017, 7:05 pm

    Interesting perspective of “dueling” videos via Helga and Bill. The fact remains that a permit WAS issued, and adequate protection of First Amendment rights to free speech were clearly not protected. As I said earlier, if the jurisdiction can not adequately protect the event, then DON’T issue the permit. No permit to assemble…no national incident to debate. Helga wins this one.

  • Helga Fellay August 19, 2017, 9:14 pm

    I love you, Karl. After such fierce demonstrations of loyalty to the Establishment, it looks like bill is likely to be promoted very soon to take Debbie Wassermann Schultz’s former job in Washington. Or has that been taken already? Well, maybe second in command. And by all means, I hope nobody trusts any news agency which “has headquarters in Berlin, Germany, & has news collection agencies in many international hot-spots, like Syria” OMG – a hex on them, they must be dangerous communists or worse. News agencies that report from many international hot-spots – it should be against the law, really. It’s a good thing our MSM doesn’t do any of those things. That must be why bill loves them so much, they don’t report news from hot spots.

  • Helga Fellay August 20, 2017, 10:17 am

    One more addendum: BOSTON FREE SPEECH PROTESTS: FAR-RIGHT DEMONSTRATORS ‘OUTNUMBERED 10 TO 1 BY ANTI-FASCISTS
    The events were taking place a week after clashes at a white supremacist protest in Charlottesville, Virginia, that resulted in more than 20 people being injured and one young woman, Heather Heyer, being killed. A 20-year-old man has been charged with her murder.
    Police have arrested at least 8 people who appear to have been counter-protesters at the Boston “Free Speech” rally http://cnn.it/2vSGwTC
    The counter-protesters are ANTIFA, who were paid $25.00 per hour to start violent confrontations with the peaceful demonstrators, as evidenced that 8 among them were arrested, but none of the demonstrators. What boggles the mind is that there are so many, some of them who normally seem like reasonable people, find that Trump committed an impeachable crime when criticizing violence on both sides. Why is it that Right wing supremacists MUST be condemned, but a mob of street thugs paid $25.00 an hour to start violent confrontations MUST be above any criticism. This is the very essence of fascism. It’s fascist tyranny from the other side, not the Right.

    • Royal Calkins August 20, 2017, 5:08 pm

      What is your source for the $25 an hour stuff, Helga?

      • Helga Fellay August 20, 2017, 6:53 pm

        sorry, I didn’t note it down. I am not even sure and can’t remember if it was $25 per hour or per assignment. But I remember that there were various sources, diverse sources. I could google it, but after learning that Google now censures and no longer allows you to see sites that are not in line with the “official” government and MSM version, I switched to DuckDuckGo. Am having problems adjusting. Not sure I am happy with the switch. It’s not good.

      • Helga Fellay August 21, 2017, 8:41 am

        I am still trying to find sources, but the State knows that many of us are on to them, and they are trying to make it impossible. Censorship on steroids, in the land of the Free and the Brave.

        “This site can’t be reached
        • Search Google for soros dcleaks”

      • Helga Fellay August 21, 2017, 9:50 am

        Royal, still trying to find sources. Nothing in the MSM, which is probably what you are looking for. Google censured everything on that topic. Found an interesting piece in the Duran, which I find in general very reliable. http://theduran.com/people-petition-white-house-declare-antifa-terrorist-organization/
        “The Soros-funded extreme-left group ANTIFA has already established a record of mayhem across Europe and America. More
        “ANTIFA is a extreme left militant movement which started in Germany and has been active in Europe for a number of years. They are known to receive funding from billionaire regime change and social engineering sponsor George Soros.
        Their modus operandi is using loud noise, physical obstruction and outright violence to disrupt peaceful, lawful assemblies by any group or person they oppose. Since the inauguration of President Trump, ANTIFA has seen a membership boom and already have a list of violent riots to their credit across the United States….”

        • Royal Calkins August 21, 2017, 11:36 pm

          The notion that Soros funds ANTIFA or anyone else involved in radical politics is absurd

          • Helga Fellay August 22, 2017, 7:48 am

            George Soros personally, as well as his phony NGO’s have actually been banned from many countries, including all BRICS nations, because they have been created to start civil unrest in countries the Empire does not like. This is known worldwide and is a matter of record. We have censorship in the US (even Mr. DNC bill leone admits that Google practices censorship in his comment above), and the MSM is not allowed to report about it. You, part of the MSM, can call it “absurd” and deny it all you want, but you can’t fool informed or intelligent people.

          • Helga Fellay August 22, 2017, 8:45 am

            Soros, the man himself as well as his NGO’s, is banned in Brazil, Russia, India, China, England, Greece, Hungry, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Yugoslavia, and others. Why would so many nations, including European nations, ban a man and his wealthy NGO’s? Because he uses his obscene wealth to clandestinely destroy national sovereignties to create a global empire.
            George Soros also funded the terrorist group “The White Helmets” in Syria which is a propaganda tool to provide a pretext for US military regime change in Syria.
            https://www.infowars.com/soros-ngo-fakes-casualties-after-russia-strikes-cia-terrorists-in-syria/

  • Tom August 20, 2017, 3:50 pm

    Unbelievable. David is the lone voice here making any sense. The rest of you, along with mainstream media, liberal politicians (Mr. Monning, incl) just manage to form one long conga line of bitter hatred for anyone who disagrees with them. The end result being to do all that’s possible to unseat President Trump. Major back lash from the Swamp. Sheeeeesh!

  • Karl Pallastrini August 20, 2017, 7:43 pm

    Okay, regardless of the commentaries, how many people can say that Helga publicly (kind of) says she loves you? She is clearly a knowledgeable and well-read resource of world history and current international politics. Her posts are to the point…no holes barred. She is, perhaps, one of the brightest posters on the Partisan. You might not like her head-on approach to issues…but there is no denying that she is a voice of reason and insight in a world where so many are devoid of information, interest, and generally asleep at the wheel.

    • Helga Fellay August 20, 2017, 8:33 pm

      Oh Karl, now I feel embarrassed. But it’s true, I rarely, if ever, say publicly (kind of) that I love anybody, and I rarely do (love anybody, that is). I think my exuberance is the result of having to suffer hours of severe beatings, both on the Partisan, but much more so on FB and online, from people calling me every name in the book (including names that surely can’t be in any book), most of the vile name calling being from the self-described “liberals”, (although I come from Sanders/Stein camps myself), and mostly because they absolutely refuse to accept anyone who dares question anything that differs from the official script from the top. So when someone writes “Helga wins this one” it can feel overwhelming. We live in frightening and disturbing times. I am not a religious person, but if I were, I might suspect that Donald Trump may have been sent to us to act like a catharsis of sorts, a great awakening to confront who we really are, after so many decades of self-deception, delusions and sleep walking.

  • david fairhurst August 20, 2017, 11:43 pm

    Helga, on this one I love you too! I know that the extreme right pains you (me too, believe it or not), just as the vicious extreme left pains me. But they both have a right to express their political views. It is violence, repression, lies and destruction that neither side has a right to do or express.

    As I remember KTLA, channel 5 in Los Angeles showed the Criagslist ads for $1,400 for “protesters” for a week to help riot in L.A. after Trump was elected, the requirement was they were also to bring at least (I think it was 4) others with them. I was downtown at a memorial service during that time.

    I wasn’t as much Trump as anti Hillary, (I liked Rand Paul) but it is amazing what is happening with the vile/falseness in the press, the hate being shown and whipped up by so many people and the excuses along with the sabotage from the Democrats (and most RINO Republicans) to prevent a functioning Trump government. I don’t think we would have known how bad “the D.C. swamp” has become if someone other than Trump, meaning another feckless politician had been elected instead.

    My Father was a 2nd Lt (volunteer) in the old “brown shoe” Navy in the South Pacific, flew in a PBY Catalina, radar, his brother, my Uncle Jim (buried in the original estate of Robert E Lee, Arlington) flew a P-38 and was shot down over France (he survived and continued in Korea flying an F-86). My family has had Civil War Vets (Wisconsin, Illinois and Maine), my mom’ father was a WW I vet who lectured at me when young about evil and it’s constant presence, the Holocaust (he had me spend time with some of his friends who survived the Nazis unspeakable evil) and about the blessings of this Nation. He was rabid anti W.Wilson, anti Fascist, anti Communist and anti FDR. Me they tried to stick in a submarine during the “Cold War”, I was enlisted at an E3 rate, Interior communications). My Dad while working at RCA during the Apollo Space program told Werner Von Braun to his face that he was an arrogant Nazi (_*_) and that we won the war and that people are treated differently in the United States (and kept his job). My point is all of my family fought against evil and no matter how distasteful, repugnant and putrid some of these “causes” or groups can be, believed that they have a right to speak too; we don’t have to listen to them, nor believe in them, nor support them. And as long as they behave within the law, we tolerate and co-exist with them. We should be proud that our Nation, unlike any other, recognizes the Human Right of free speech and thought and protects such. Why so many want to end and condemn this Right, I can not fathom, for perhaps their Rights will be taken next by someone in power who wishes to silence them too.

  • Luana M Conley August 21, 2017, 4:53 pm

    And how many times have I been told that bombing and drone murdering innocent, brown skinned men, women, and children on three continents and seven sovereign nations is just a yawn when it’s done by “fine people, very fine people,” when they’re Democrats.
    The examination of racism and its bloody conclusions needs to be a expanded beyond our borders for its true origins and purpose.

  • PT Caffey August 22, 2017, 3:06 am

    You cannot have an intelligent discussion without first agreeing on a common set of facts. I offer a few:
    1. Those who marched with torches on the campus of UVA on Friday night, August 11, had no permit. According to Charlottesville’s mayor, the night march was unsanctioned.
    2. Those who marched did so under the banner of Confederate and Nazi flags.
    3. Marchers shouted “Jews will not replace us.” They shouted “Sieg Heil!” They shouted “Heil, Trump!” They used racial and gender-based epithets freely.
    4. Video evidence of this, as complied by VICE News, may be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I
    5. Friday night marchers did not gather at the foot of a Confederate statue threatened with removal. They surrounded a band of counter-protestors who were huddled near a statue of Thomas Jefferson. The Saturday protest was near the Lee statue, in Emancipation Park.
    6. On August 15, President Trump said: “You take a look the night before, they were there to protest the taking down of the statue of the Robert E. Lee.”
    7. President Trump also said: “… but you also had people that were very fine people on both sides….You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”
    8. According to the white supremacists’ own advertisements, a central basis for the August 12 demonstration was to “Unite the Right.” Their posters invoked Confederate and Nazi imagery, and listed a host of white supremacists, white nationalists, neo-Nazis and fascists in attendance.

    My own conclusion, from these facts, is that no “very fine person” concerned only with the preservation of Southern statuary wandered innocently among Nazis, Klansmen and Jew-baiters in a lawless, torch-lit night march. Had this occurred, most decent folk would have left the demonstration immediately. President Trump’s assertion to the contrary, when cast against the available evidence, is not remotely plausible. Yet what it did accomplish was to give political cover and legitimacy to a noxious, racist movement–now fringe in nature, but with a far greater number of passive sympathizers among Trump’s base.

    In sum, Trump extended his presidential sympathies to an imaginary subset of “very fine people” within a mob of costumed Nazis and other racists and, in doing so, aided and abetted their virulent movement. This is the primary trouble Trump caused himself on Tuesday, August 15. It is the dank hole he has himself sunk into.

  • bill leone August 22, 2017, 8:11 am

    PT, Thanks for demonstrating the sanity I was waiting for from Partisan readers & commenters. I hope more people like you denounce those who provide “…..political cover and legitimacy to a noxious racist movement….;” that is, to the Brown Shirts who feel it is safe to come out of the woodwork, now that their favorite president & political party is in office.

    Be prepared for your comments to be dismissed as “corporate MSM propaganda,” from those who supply the political cover to which you referred.

    • Helga Fellay August 22, 2017, 1:36 pm

      I can’t let the DNC’s little bill have the last word on this. I just read very cogent comments from two readers of Popular Resistance (which thinks it’s progressive, but I am not so sure).

      LaurafromSC • 2 days ago
      I am having a serious problem with rise of anti-fascist rallies in America that lack even a molecule of protest against the US-backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine, US-backed ISIS and al Qaeda head-choppers in Syria and Iraq, and the CIA-backed saboteurs in Venezuela. If we are going to float the narrative that America is on the precipice of succumbing to the white supremacist terrorists, (pinning this possibility on ragtag bands of racist white men, rather than the fascist war party running this country and actively waging mass violence on 5 continents) and that this threat is so dire that we (Green Party supporters, ‘Popular Resistance’ readers, veteran civil rights activists, etc.) need to throw our principles out the window and turn to these fanatical, uninformed Antifas mobs to protect us, then I’m afraid I’ll have to withdraw my association with the Green Party and Popular Resistance, because I am unwilling to abandon my principles (which are very well represented by the 10 key values of the Green Party) so that I can join ranks with these Antifa mobs whose mission and methods are frankly as repugnant as the white supremacists and fascists they claim to be protesting.
      This mass hysteria over fascists in Amerian (dressed in what would seem like a righteous fight against our country’s 300-year old rule by white supremacy) is just another incarnation of the Russia-hacked-the-election crisis, which was an incarnation of the NC transgender bathroom crisis, which was seen dozens more incarnations in-between — national crises that bloom almost overnight, only to close, unresolved, to make way for the next crises, around which the corporate media will pitch its tent for a while.
      What is accomplished? And what has pushed this campaign to “crush fascism in America” to such urgency that we must do it immediately, by violence, and with a concerted effort to be as confrontation and warlike as possible? How did so many formerly principled people of vision decide, almost overnight, that our greatest national urgency is to correct the story of the Civil War by taking up with violent mobs, tearing up Confederate statues, and crushing the right to free speech in America? All of this, sans any public attention, much less public action, to address the present-day white-supremacist rule that, as we speak, has the US terrorizing and murdering millions across the globe.
      The fact that the corporate media is eating up the Antifas narrative and posting it 24-7 should be a clue to the better informed among us, but apparently not. To those of you who embrace these Antifa mobs, whose mission includes pre-emptive violence and the use of threats and intimidation to suppress free speech, I say: Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

      James Arsenault kevinzeese • 18 hours ago
      A Craigslist advertisement, six days ago was looking for Actors and photographers for Charlotte, NC, stating in the ad from Crowds on Demand, that their events “include everything from rallies to protests,” showing that not all rallies, protests and counter-protests are activism driven, but many times people are paid to attend and even start trouble.
      The DOJ is investigating what occurred that resulted in the death of one and injury of nineteen others in the incident with the car, and politicians are playing up the whole ordeal for political points, calling it domestic terrorism, President Trump has condemned “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides,” and reporters are busy spinning all of the events and pointing fingers at the rally itself and their participants, and while we at ANP do not espouse white supremacy rhetoric, the event was planned, and the authorities were informed beforehand, again, according to the governor, that “outside” agitators were coming for the specific purpose of committing violence against the rally participants, so really who is to blame here for the chaos that ensued?
      I put out a challenge on sites across the net, to every Liberal or Ult Left or just Left. Show me the video showing the riots and violence by the Ult Right, during this event started by the “AltRight”.
      Also show me the video of the Ult Right rioting and perpetrating violence at any of the rallies for Obama during 2008 or 2012. Show me the videos of Ult Right rioting and violence at Obama’s inauguration. Then I challenged them to show me the videos of rioting and violence by the Right during a Hillary rally.
      Then there are the laws related to riots, inciting them, busing them in etc. The media owns the messaging on the news, there are few conservative news media, they own large portions of the net and Social Media, along with the Democrat Party and the RINO, as we have seen. Trump has to be doing EVERYTHING RIGHT, pun intended to have so many, trying so hard to destroy him and take him out.
      Rush Limbaugh said whoever the Deep State is congress fears them more than the American voters. We now know the truth about the riots in Charlottesville, even the police telling it and going against the Governor and the Mayor.
      Reader comments from https://popularresistance.org/newsletter-success-against-racists/

  • PT Caffey August 22, 2017, 5:39 pm

    Why does anyone claiming that Antifa protestors were “paid actors” assume, under this scenario, that they were “paid” by supporters of the Left?

    For now, Antifa violence HELPS TRUMP and his online minions. Helga Fellay aptly demonstrates how.

    • Helga Fellay August 22, 2017, 8:18 pm

      try a little logic, sweety. They were beating up on the Right protesters, the White Supremacists, or Nazis, or whatever names some go by. Why would someone on the Right pay thugs on the Left to beat Right demonstrators? The result was bloodshed, which resulted in the latest attempt to justify demanding impeachment of Trump, remember? If not, read it again: Senator Bill Monning, along with the entire chorus of our Clinton owned Mainstream Media, are again demanding his impeachment, after all the other fabricated efforts had failed. It’s a political coup to force a democratically elected president from office. And you claim this “HELPS TRUMP”? Maybe in your mind, but not in this universe.

      • PT Caffey August 22, 2017, 9:17 pm

        The logic you ask for originated with Hitler, who used “Communist agitators” to justify a general crackdown upon protest and dissent. Tonight, Trump renamed the anti-fascists “anarchists,” in preparation for just such a crackdown. That’s the logic.

        I reviewed the website you mentioned (https://popularresistance.org/newsletter-success-against-racists/) and discovered a person using your name linking to a YouTube video entitled “What Really Happened in Charlottesville.” I don’t know if this person who shares your name is you, but she closely echoes your arguments here. What IS clear is that the creator of the linked video, a YouTube account calling itself “The Leftovers,” is a white supremacist. He says, “For better or worse, I am a very active member of the alt-right.” His other videos include titles such as “Racism is Reasonable,” “What is Generation Zyklon,” “Secret White Supremacist Hand Signs” and “Alt-Right Meetups, Should you Go?” I’ve now watched a few of these brief videos, and they’re very crafty and insidious–designed, it seems, to draw in and radicalize lost and lonely young men.

        Is this you? Did you link to “What Really Happened in Charlottesville,” a video created by a recruiter for racist hate?

        And don’t call me sweety.

        • Helga Fellay August 23, 2017, 9:14 pm

          Direct Action Anarchists, ANTIFA and BLM are the three organizations that joined together to attack the folks with the permit to demonstrate (Nazis, White Supremacists, or whatever else they call themselves) who were protesting against the removal of the Lee statue. I have read that around 40,000 of the Troika (Anarchists, ANTIFA and BLM) were bussed into Boston, causing a tiny number of Free Speech demonstrators to disburse. Who is doing the crackdown on Free Speech? Who is doing the bullying? You seem to know much more about Hitler than I do. But you seem to understand so little.

          • Tim Smith August 24, 2017, 6:48 pm

            Seems to me there are an awful lot of unsubstantiated claims being made in these threads. I’m still waiting to have Royal’s question answered. Sources please?

  • bill leone August 23, 2017, 7:12 am

    PT Caffey, It appears we are among the few commenters to The Partisan who are willing to stand up to the Trump-ian Bullies on this site. “Sweety,” “Little Bill,” & other sarcastic & demeaning language is just a sample of their tactics, which (by the way) goes all the way back to Spiro Agnew & Tricky Dick Nixon’s Dirty Tricks campaign style of the late 1960’s…..now perfected by The Pimp President.

    • david fairhurst August 25, 2017, 12:17 pm

      Yeah…its not like the “progressive left” hasn’t spent years calling everyone who disagrees with their agenda “sexists, homophobic, xenophobic, racists, earth rapists, unbalanced, “deplorable”, stupid, uneducated, ignorant, backward, religious kooks, gun killing brutes, and oh all so many more…..” including the constant “Pimp President”. I wonder who is the true bully here. A sweet elder lady who is only speaking her opinion or the mouthpiece of a “progressive movement” who makes no bones about taking us to a repressive Communist regime.

      • Tim Smith August 25, 2017, 6:45 pm

        I think, David, that when it comes to “name calling”, the progressive left (whatever the hell that is) is far less a factor than Fox News. Your characterizations herein are without art or fact.

  • bill leone August 23, 2017, 7:30 am

    Here is an interesting article in Politico on the methods Russian Cyber-Intelligence, under the guidance of the FSB, manipulates information on the Internet. It can be used by those who wish to do some investigative journalism on the websites & Twitter accounts, as well as intermediaries targeted by the Russian government.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/23/russia-propaganda-network-kremlin-bots-215520

    • Helga Fellay August 23, 2017, 9:22 pm

      bill, don’t forget to check under your bed tonight before you turn out the lights. There could be a Russian communist hiding under your bed, you never know.

  • bill leone August 24, 2017, 8:51 am

    Actually, I have absolutely No fear of communism as an ideology. After graduating from college I considered myself a Marxist/Leninist/Maoist; however, I soon realized this would not look good on my resume’, especially applying for a job as a long-haired, public school teacher during Governor Reagan’s two terms (at that time, public school teachers were required to sign a Loyalty Oath). That was long before I became a modestly successful Capitalist (with Socialist tendencies).
    The only Real fear I have at this time, is that a significant number of well-meaning citizens (& some not so well-meaning) have allowed themselves to be duped by Russian-influenced propaganda (“active measures”), & are undermining the faith we once had in our Free Press, our electoral system, our political parties, our system of jurisprudence, & worst of all, speaking, writing & voting against their Own interests, as well as the interests of our less fortunate citizens. Therefore, I encourage everyone who reads this, including the people who have made passive-aggressive & sarcastic comments towards me personally, to check the sources I provided in my last comment to see if the information they are basing their opinions on might be influenced by the Russian Government, which I believe is working against the interests of American, Canadian, European & other democratic countries & their citizens.
    Special Note: Russia is no longer a Communist Country. It is considered by scholars & foreign policy professionals to be a Kleptocracy, run by President-For-Life, Vladimir Putin, who by all standards is a Dictator who harasses, arrests & murders people opposing him, & is currently trying to re-establish Stalinist, Soviet-style influence in the world by Any means possible.

    • david fairhurst August 25, 2017, 12:28 pm

      Taking info from “Politico” or the “Huffington and Puffinton Post” is about as honest as citing “Alex Jones”. The internet can provide “truth” to any cause with it’s right (or left) manipulated sources. I’ll stick to RT News, “”””””” ha, ha, ha……
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  • bill leone August 24, 2017, 9:10 am
  • Tim Smith August 25, 2017, 9:30 am

    Here’s an example of how misinformation is propagated.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/counterprotesters-paid-charlottesville/

  • Michael B August 25, 2017, 1:47 pm

    I appreciate the debate that State Senator Monning’s article has invited. I did not thoroughly read every comment, but most of them.

    I agree with Mr. Monning that speech promoting violence or causing safety issues (“Fire!) should be prohibited. If I recall correctly, Ann Coulter called for the assassination of a Democratic Representative a few years ago. I did not hear that she was sanctioned in any way.

    Likewise, Mr. Turner’s call to murder Nazis is unacceptable speech.

    I agree that disagreeable speech should be protected, but there are limits and I would advocate for widening the definition of hate speech within a civil society to include certain forms of dehumanizing speech as prohibited. It can be a slippery slope, I get it, but there must be ways to draw lines that makes some communication forbidden, without infringing on people’s right to clearly express themselves across the widest possible expanse of opinions. Allowing virulent hate as acceptable forms of speech, has helped create a society that is fearful for its safety. We can do better.

  • bill leone August 25, 2017, 3:46 pm

    At last! Someone (Tim Smith) who is willing to do his Homework & not swallow dubious information whole. Please move to the Head Of The Class, Tim.
    Is there anyone else out there, willing to exert a little bit of effort to preserve American Democracy
    from an Hurricane of mis-information?

  • bill leone August 26, 2017, 9:46 pm

    The following is a prescient article written by Frank Rich in the New York Magazine in November of 2016. It gives us a glimpse of what has happened in American politics in the past (the 1930s) & compares it to the events of our day. Moreover, it gives us a clear idea of what we might expect in the near future. But most importantly, it gives the reader tools to identify supporters, appeasers & resistors of Authoritarianism in American politics: history will be kind Only to resistors.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/charles-lindbergh-is-a-cautionary-tale-for-republicans.html

  • jim guy August 29, 2017, 10:17 am

    Winter is coming.